Eden (00:01.706)
Okay, friends. Whew. So I am so honored and excited to have this conversation today with Connor Creighton. You should we should start there. That's what I should have asked in advance. It's Crichton, not Creighton, right?
Conor (00:18.213)
Did you didn't need to ask, you got it perfectly right.
Eden (00:21.026)
Okay, let me bring it back. Okay. yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see, we'll see.
Conor (00:23.387)
Let's see if you can do it the second time. It's Crichton. Yeah, you got it right. Crichton is great.
Eden (00:32.143)
Eden (00:35.97)
Alright, so I am so honored and excited to have this conversation today with Connor Crichton. Connor is a coach, a writer, a meditation teacher who explores blocks like fear of being seen or the shame that flares up when you go off script to live a more creative or easeful or authentic or aligned feeling life.
He explores all of those blocks and so much more through the lens of Irishness, which, as you can imagine, includes both mystical, animist, storyful, trickstery, earthbound ways of being and relating with the world, and also some seriously repressive colonial and religious trauma and conditioning, right? What I love about his honest,
Dropped-in scroll-stopping Instagram videos, which is how I found him, by the way, spot-on targeting algorithms. Is that he disrupts our individualistic healing and coaching fixations? Things like: I'm on my endless healing journey and I have to do the work to heal this personal money or visibility block, which almost certainly came from my early childhood trauma or my ADHD or my whatever. And instead,
Connor presences us on and invites us into a much longer and deeper and more ancestral timeline. One that brings us back into relationship with the natural world, all of our cultural and ancestral, and you know, lineage deep influences, the more forgiving rhythms of the natural world with one another and beyond. And while Connor speaks through the lens of Irishness, the truth is.
Colonial trauma has impacted all of us, whether we're on the giving or receiving end or some mixture between the two, the impact is that it has severed us from our inherent interdependent relationships with the natural world, with the more than human world, with magic, with each other, and with the most natural parts of ourselves that we've been the most conditioned to be ashamed of.
Eden (02:51.702)
And while many of my beautiful black, brown, and indigenous loved ones have often seem to have slightly more recent access points to earthbound ancestral and spiritual and cultural traditions. For white folks, especially white American mutts like myself, who are a couple generations removed from any motherland or mother culture, bringing some loving awareness and healing here really feels like the assignment for this lifetime.
So, for the official intro, Connor is a coach, a writer, a meditation teacher who grew up in a small village in the Irish countryside, spent nearly two decades bartending across Ireland, New York, and Berlin to bring a grounded and nobleshit mysticism to his creative and healing work. He's the creator of Healing from Irishness, the author of This Is It and The Truth About Love, and is currently on a world tour called How to Actually Be Yourself.
He lives in the Balaric Islands on a small farm with fruit trees and wild cats. Edit, actually, the dogs that you adopted last year have scared off the cats. Regardless, Connor, I'm so grateful to be here with you. And I want to start by just opening up the space for you to introduce yourself however it feels right. And then we can jump into the question that we begin every conversation with here at New Money Social Club, which is.
Can you share a bit of some of the stories that you might have heard growing up about money? And just speak to the way that your relationship with money might have evolved over the course of your life. And I just want to say, I know it's very uncouth to open up a conversation talking about money. So I applaud your courageousness in advance. My theory is that the old we don't talk about money rule only serves some people and not most of us. And so
Most of us are highly practiced at avoiding these conversations at all costs. I'm a trauma of money facilitator and I've been studying this most of my adult life and still feel flooded with fear sometimes when I talk about it. So all of that I'm just wanting to open with it's all welcome here. I'm not looking for a Disney version, but you know, your version, right? Take it what you will, which I trust you will.
Conor (05:12.772)
Thank you so much, Eden. Do you know it's it's it's absolutely lovely because there's a lot of times when you record podcasts with people and they do the introduction alone. So when you get to sit and bask in the introduction, it's like a we have this thing in Ireland, we call it a Banacht. And a Banacht is is a blessing. And it's just something that you say to another person, you could you could it's kind of like a a magic spell.
Because you're kind of wishing the best thing possible for this person. And you're even even sometimes with our banets, the language is kind of I mean you everyone's probably heard may the road rise up to meet you. That kind of thing. It's there's something almost kind of magical about them. And listening to that description was a little bit like a magic incantation that you were doing for me. So it thank you so much. and I it's it's interesting when you when you said that you wanted to start with money and my earlier stories.
I have such a funny story from when I was a kid and we grew up in a we had a we had a home and it was heated by coal and so it we had like a little yard and there was coal in the yard you know that would just pile up and I think I must have been four or five and my mother found me out amidst the coal kind of covered in ash. This sounds like some sort of Oliver Twist sort of tale, but I'm not that old actually, and I was smashing
pieces of coal because I somehow had heard that like there's diamonds inside coal. I don't know where I found this out. But and and my mother goes, Connor, like what are you doing out there? And I said, I'm trying to find a diamond to pay for all our bills.
So so from the youngest of ages, like I I I knew about our financial situation in the house and I knew about the worry. And it's interesting how trauma kind of it freezes us in time. Because then when I was a teenager, my family started to do well. Do you know my my parents after years of not really having work and things, my dad stopped drinking, he he was an alcoholic, he stopped drinking. They both they both just started to do well.
Conor (07:26.776)
And suddenly they had money. But I always feel that like my conception of money was sort of frozen in that time when I was four or five. And I was terrified that there were these bills. I had no idea what bills were, but I just knew that there were these dangerous, foreboding elements that were coming that were attacking our family. and I I think a lot of my work has been.
It's trying to separate my actual real relationship with money and then its felt sense frozen in my body from that young age. Do you know what I mean? And I've e I've even had moments even like of of doing really well financially. And
Eden (08:05.642)
Mm-hmm.
Conor (08:14.722)
still feeling and I'm sure everyone can relate to this that it's sort of it's funny that there isn't a magic number in your bank account that suddenly gets rid of the feelings. If anything, like sometimes when you have more money in your bank account, it it amplifies the feeling of fear 'cause you now think I've got even more to lose. so so so that was my first memory and then also just a kind of a there was a a sense there was a c a c of of
deep shame when w we would I would compare myself to other people. and there was not that we were dramatically poorer, but just there was this sense that there's some things we don't have that others have. And that's something that is sort of has like even
Eden (08:51.625)
Hm.
Eden (09:01.601)
Mm.
Conor (09:06.166)
even now it's and is still something that comes up where I I will have a kind of a a very visceral sensation in certain company and a message, a really old message will start to play, you don't belong here.
Eden (09:23.277)
Mm-hmm.
Conor (09:24.126)
And I think in the past I certainly would have allowed that message to to kind of run the show. And and now I just kind of I'm I'm aware that this is a very old message but I don't necessarily heed it. Yeah.
Eden (09:40.31)
Yeah, yeah. That's it, right? Just all we can do is witness and notice and be curious where you know, where is this coming from? Is this is this pointing me towards something that's actually maybe good and ris you know, like like maybe there are certain rooms that are certain competitions over, you know
accumulation or whatever that like there's something in my body that's like I don't need to be in this. But then there's also so much conditioning. in a previous conversation you spoke to the just naming like the experience of kind of being born feeling like you're just inherently a bit dirtier than you're than the others or there's there's just something that is sort of fundamentally, you know, sort of
Yeah, just not as shiny and and and packaged and and, you know, moneyed as as folks around us. So
Conor (10:47.384)
Yeah, yeah. And it's it's just this sort of it's it's very interesting because I think too, it it's it's one of those things that hides in plain sight and affects everything. It's just like it's it's the real
Like I think when you can recognize, I've got anxiety or I'm avoidant, they kind of it feels like they're quite specific behavioral patterns and you can identify, okay, I'm triggered by this. But but when you have shame, you know when you when you're operating with that belief that there's something inferior about you, it has this way of just like coding everything in a layer.
So it's almost kind of like you cannot see the wood for the trees, I think, with shame. Because it just it affects everything. It affects how you maintain your home, how you maintain your body, whether you actually follow your dreams or not. You know how it comes to like prioritizing other people. You know, it's it's it's so and it becomes so familiar because it's just it's your way of being. It's like you're constantly in this place of adapting and making choices based on this mistake and belief.
Eden (11:37.425)
Mm.
Conor (12:03.676)
belief that everyone is somehow better than you. It's so detrimental. I got it's so destructive.
Eden (12:11.512)
Yeah. Yeah. And it's so it's clearly such a construct, but it was such a con such a successful and thorough process, right?
Conor (12:24.014)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. And it and it like I think w what's interesting when you start to do like a lot of the work that I do is around change, you know, and I think a lot of the reason a lot of the financial blocks that people have are y are are connected to this idea of I do not deserve.
Eden (12:36.11)
Mm.
Conor (12:46.956)
No, it's like I don't deserve that and s and so that's and w when you start to like look at shame, it i it it really is a little bit like discovering mould in your home.
Eden (12:59.064)
Mm.
Conor (12:59.648)
And you realise, like this has probably affected a lot of the friends that I now have in my life, this has probably affected my health, this has probably affected like my relationship with my partner, maybe the work that I've done. And it I think like you know yourself, like once you begin to notice shame and its effect in your life, I think quite often we can become and I don't think this is a bad thing, I think we can become like enraged. God, what have I allowed to happen?
Eden (13:24.77)
Mm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Conor (13:28.866)
And then there could be a b big period of grieving of like, God, like when why why was I in that relationship for so long with that person who took advantage of my shame or why didn't I protect myself more there? And and I I think like learning to still be
connected to yourself and and understand the reason that you adapted or compromised or or played small I think is so important because we can quite often you know we I think we can quite often fall into a pit of regret once we begin to recognize that how much power we've we've given away to our shame.
Eden (14:04.77)
Mm.
Eden (14:13.134)
Totally. And and I think that, you know, here, at least in in my culture, when pe when we begin to do that work, when we begin to go to therapy and whatever we can be led down the you know, the kind of first wave of consciousness or whatever is often just looking back at your early childhood experiences, which is real. You know, this is these are very real impacts on our feelings of shame and tr of course. But I think that
the current culture can push us into that corner of just examining ourselves and what happened to ourselves and trying to find the root in our own little lifetime of existence. And I think what, yeah, what you bring to the table is kind of attributing, yes, yes, honoring that, while also this whole layer of like what our parents and our parents' parents and our parents' parents' parents likely like what they were subjected to this that ingrained them with that.
deep seated sense of shame and all the trauma that came with it and that so so much of the trauma that an individual is living with today is also a product of this more collective experience. And there's to me that's where the the the healing can really come in and kind of permeate through the levels that we have yet to be able to effectively reach when we're just focused on the individual.
Conor (15:33.337)
Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And I think what it does, y you know, is even just in terms of like the the energetic load of feeling resentment is is it it is is so heavy. When we stay in this place of they did this.
it it it's such a weight to carry energetically for us. And I think like allowing, you know, moving from this place of, okay, I received this and and then trying to understand, well, it came from there and it came from there. Do you know? Like like you know, I like with with me, like one of the biggest problems I had was kind of trying to understand my dad who was an alcoholic. But there's no way in a million years that I would have swapped my childhood with his.
It was it was so much worse. And then I think of my grandfather, like, there's not not a chance I would want to go back into his shoes either. So there's something about understanding the the mudslide of trauma that gets that brings you to here, and then and then hopefully you can kind of recognize that okay, the real healing from this comes from me moving towards joy and pleasure.
And also kind of like what I find very encouraging is that there's a certain kind of there's a certain kind of like when you think about how contrast functions. When you've been, when you've had not to be glib or anything, but when you've had like when you've had some really bad food, good food tastes better.
Eden (16:57.62)
Mm, mm.
Conor (17:25.75)
And in the same way with our lives, when we've experienced, you know, like when we've experienced the rough childhood, when we've experienced the loveless relationships, when we can begin to kind of go, okay, now I'm gonna turn this and I'm gonna pivot towards something else, the absolute kind of quantity of joy and pleasure and just pure happiness that's available to you is kind of phenomenal.
Eden (17:27.438)
Mm.
Eden (17:53.41)
Mm, mm.
Conor (17:54.831)
When when you begin to sort of say, Okay, well I've played I've had this experience. I've had this experience of being miserable and abandoning myself and I've become an expert at it. I could write books about this. I'm so good at this. I'm so good at misery. And now you go, okay, and now I'm gonna propel and move towards a whole new, very unfamiliar way of doing things. I so so I I always feel
Eden (18:05.88)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Conor (18:21.304)
Like when when I when I meet people and when I meet clients and even when I reflect myself and when someone tells me like the saddest story, I always go, you've got so high to soar now. You really do. You've got so high to soar. And yeah.
Eden (18:34.35)
Mm, mm.
Yeah. I
Go ahead.
Conor (18:44.14)
No, and and and especially when you begin to kinda like think of those things of like do you know like that's as like well this was this was your initiation. You know, this was you like so many of us grow up with this sense of we don't belong. And I often wonder, mm myself personally, like and in the lives of people I know, imagine we grew up feeling that we belonged. Would would we have done anything interesting or new?
Do you know, would we have had any sort of fuel to really go out there and and do anything? You know, like w like when I think about like like Eden, you know yourself and here I like both of us are kind of we're doing something a little bit crazy here by putting ourselves on screens at the mercy of the public. and I and I'm sure if we'd grown up
with a sense that you know we belonged and everything was okay and and love was all around us, we we probably would never have had this energy or ambition to to speak to audiences. So so it so it I feel you know I f I feel there's a kind of there's a there's a method to the madness we experience.
Eden (19:50.902)
Eden (20:03.18)
Yeah, I love that. It's making me think of I was actually just last week brief trip to Mexico where I was able to it receive this it wasn't the reason why I was there, it ended up being a last minute thing, but this incredible Mayan massage like healing treatment that was very kind of spiritual and all of it and the the the person who is the healer
He was incredible. so he was Mexican and stewarding these this this Mayan traditional wisdom. You know, started off with kind of tell me what's going on in your life, you know, all the things. And he shared this this insight that just I think it speaks to kind of or mirrors sort of what you're getting to, but it's it's the idea that he the way that he shared it was that, you know, in the Mayan worldview.
healing worldview that you know we have these it's it's all blockages in the body, right? So it's just like these little energetic or emotional kind of blockages that happen, right? and and of course that's that sh we feel all of the symptoms on the other side of that block and it's and it's terrible and it's keeping us stuck and ill and blah blah blah blah blah and we wish it never happened to us or whatever. But but there from that worldview the idea is that you know
Conor (20:58.799)
Yeah.
Eden (21:21.096)
This is how we evolve. This is the whole purpose, is these blocks, what they produce, and when we're able to tend to them and in some way sort of repattern or release, like what gets released in that, I think of a river that's dammed up, right? And then when you let's say the dam is removed, it flows like more abundantly than ever before. If it widens, you know, what it can reach and hold. And so so is that not expanding us into, you know, a greater trajectory that would not have been possible to so it's not like
Conor (21:35.066)
Yeah.
Conor (21:42.266)
Yeah. Yeah.
Eden (21:51.011)
you know, thanking for all of the terrible traumas that have happened or b but at the same time, is this not has this not always been in some way the flow of life for all of us, you know?
Conor (22:01.57)
Right, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Eden (22:05.99)
okay, I have so many more questions for you. and I I'll try to keep this short, but yeah, one question is around time and pacing because I'll just frame this because I've been thinking about this the past couple days in preparation for this conversation with you. how I feel hilariously kind of conflicted with two dueling needs at all times when I communicate.
One is like the need to like keep it short and snappy, like I'm a New Yorker, like time is money, and I was just kind of raised with this like quick pace that I'm pretty sure is definitely like, you know, a product of a toxic capitalism, whatever, right? So I've I feel like I need to communicate quickly to like, you know, just spit it out and earn my keep or whatever, right? But then simultaneously, I come from like a long line on both sides of like storytellers and
Conor (22:43.746)
Mm.
Conor (22:49.295)
Yeah.
Eden (23:03.054)
Pontificators, and so there is like no way to make a long story short, and the only way to ever answer a question is to tell the long story. So and I re I remember when when I was in Ireland with my family as a as a kid that we were like lost driving around and we had to like find directions, and the directions, at least in our experience in the countryside, wasn't like you ask.
guy on the corner and he says, yeah, you take a left at this street and then you go this way and then, you know, you're at your destination. It's more of, where are you headed? beautiful. my my, you know, daughter was raised there, and that's the church that we were married in, this and this and this. And then, okay, so you're gonna, you know, take this road down here and then at the big oak tree. And when you see the flock of birds, you take a right right, so it's like this long and winded story. that, you know, and I think sometimes what struck me like
when your Instagram video came up on my feed, was your pace, was your ability to be in what I receive as kind of your essence pace. And so I just wanted to kind of just start by opening up the space for you to share more about like if you've ever felt that pressure to be quick or like rushed around all the time in your body, in your experience, and and maybe some of the ways in which you are able to drop deeper into your pace at every turn.
Conor (24:28.696)
Yeah, yeah, thanks. Like so I I used to work as a journalist before I did this and I worked in I didn't really work in like like daily papers so much but but did a decent amount of kind of regular work which involved deadlines and
And remember like taking huge pride in being able to do things like faster than the speed of sound, you know, like and and kind of loved I I think I was enthralled to the adrenaline and the urgency of it all. And you know, when someone would say, We've got forty five minutes and you need to do this I'd be like, Great.
Eden (24:57.837)
Ha ha.
Conor (25:14.23)
I can I can do this, you know, I can w what what I've noticed is that that's deeply in me, a sense of doing things quickly. There's there's also a very Irish thing where you never want to appear to be sitting down. You you know, and there's there's a certain kind of a virtue in being the last person to come and sit down at the dinner table.
Eden (25:42.717)
Never happens in my like w it'll ne like my mom will never actually sit down to watch the movie. Like we
Conor (25:48.795)
Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. And it's it's very like it's so a a big part of the work that I try and do now, just on myself really in general, is just to often kind of go like, is there a way that I can do this slower? and and even like is there a way that I can just say
So I I went through a period of of I I wrote a couple of books and I wrote one a year for a while. And I just there was something about that that I thought I think I'm doing this too quickly. And it it felt a little like
felt a little disrespectful to whatever wanted to emerge from me that I was sort of churning it out as fast as I was. So so I I really, really try as much as as possible to just introduce this slowness to what I'm doing. It's and and it it's kind of just like, you know, it's it's very much connected to like
for me anyway it's just connected to the things that bring me pleasure. Like the things that bring me pleasure are beauty. And and I know that when I move quickly, I'm oblivious to all beauty in life and beauty in the world. But when I move slowly, I kind of have random encounters with people or animals or things like that. So it's it's something that I I try to sort of be very, very conscious of.
Then also will base a lot of decisions on whether I'm feeling urgency. So so for there was a situation I was asked to do a retreat and I didn't get back to the people on time. This is just last week and then and then they replied and I immediately felt a sense of homework, urgency. And I I just responded and said, No, I'm I'm not available to do this retreat. And and so that's that's been very nice.
Conor (27:55.513)
I also think Eden, do you know what I mean? Isn't it wonderful to play with our sense of time? You know, and to just sort of like push at the limits. Knowing that knowing that time is very much like a felt rather than a real thing. To be able to just like kind of
Eden (28:00.641)
Yeah.
Conor (28:14.806)
explore places in the world where time stretches or ways of being where time stretches. my background a lot of my background is meditation.
Eden (28:21.174)
Mm.
Conor (28:26.08)
So i I I've kind of always I think it was Gandhi who said you know every day I meditate for an hour except for busy days where I meditate for two hours. And you know, I I tr I try to kind of have that that sort of as my maxim. If if I'm noticing I'm really busy, I'll stop and meditate and understand that that busyness was just a concept.
Eden (28:38.529)
Yeah.
Eden (28:53.1)
Mm.
Conor (28:54.466)
Are not actually that busy at all.
Eden (28:57.409)
It's so okay, so so good, so rich, so aspirational, right? Like what I'm curious about is and thank you for that, because to me that that is the that's the invitation and that is the way that we can kind of jump off of this timeline that full of urgency and the one that all of us it's so aggressive to all of our nervous systems, it's so not conducive to anyone enjoying
Conor (29:16.708)
Yeah.
Eden (29:24.789)
Or contributing to a more beautiful, healing, creative, regenerative world, whatever, right? the only way out of that timeline, like we will never have a productive enough day to where we've earned our right to be out of that timeline. And so the only way out of it is f refusal, like exactly what you just mentioned, like you know what? And just no.
Conor (29:45.273)
Yeah, yeah. I I think it's like you know, Audrey Lorde, the writer, I think she said, the master's tools will not destroy the master's house. And and the master's tools are speed and efficiency and you have no time. You know you you have no time. I think even when you look at the
Is the word etymology like of time and it comes from Kronos. Kronos, the god who ate his children. Like time is a torturer. It's time is barbaric. And and and our work, you could even call it our shamanic work, is to liberate ourselves from the the the force of time. I know that can sound super esoteric to people listening, but I think it is just that like I think at a very personal level you you can begin to re
Reframe your relationship with time. And I don't think that and I think that you can have like that can have like huge consequences quite quickly. When you just begin to say, I will move through my day at three-quarter pace. And and and you and then you add, you stack that, you know. I will be I like I noticed it myself. Like I'm I drive like a grandpa.
You know, I I used I used to I used to be a a furious driver and and now I'm just and it it all happened very sorry if this is a long tangent, but like we got we adopted these two, myself and my partner, we adopted these these puppies last summer. And they required w they would get car sick. So I had to reduce my pace by like a number of miles an hour to just you know, t to just drive slower. And they've got they've got
well used to being in cars now, they don't get sick. But I haven't changed my speed. And and it suits me to to dr to just move at that level.
Eden (31:40.055)
Yeah, yeah.
Ugh, these animals, right, are such such teachers. yeah, because w it's like turns out we're animals too, and maybe we shouldn't be moving through the world that quick. Anyway, do you just because it is so hard, right? Because at least here, like when you're in the tight colonial capitalist consumers, whatever timeline and everything's rushed, everything's urgent, and you literally just don't have the time to afford yourself.
Conor (31:46.074)
Such too.
Eden (32:12.717)
Like it doesn't feel like you have the ability to do anything else, right? And so for me, one thing that I speak to or that other I feel like I'm in my exploration era of is is just I call it like failure as liberation. Because while one would hope that I could, you know, look ahead at my schedule and my year and plan it out methodically and perfectly so that it allows for where I'm trying to go, what usually happens is I show up and I
recreate unreasonable timelines for myself. And so what what my liberation actually looks like is saying, I'm sorry. You know what? I know I said that I could do that, but I can't anymore. Right? So it's not even predicting in advance or asking for permission in advance. It's you're in the middle of it and it's feeling wrong and you're giving yourself radical permission to fail, to to drop out of that timeline that assignment. That happened in preparation for this beautiful conversation with you.
Conor (33:05.327)
Yeah.
Eden (33:09.813)
I mentioned, you know, historically for my podcast, I like throw a big event around it. I get a bunch of registrations, I market it, whatever. And it it's been wonderful. But right now in this year, in this moment in my body, I've been needing to really r radically like essentialize and redu reduce the sort of energetic output with a lot of my marketing and kind of very interested in the assignment of or or the invitation towards slow content, you know. and and so I had to kind of
Literally I I created the registration page. I began the promotion, but I was like, this just feels like it's taking away from the conversation I really want to have here. And so I had to a I had to you let the people who registered know that like I'll you'll be the first to get the the podcast when it's ready, but you know, I had to fail publicly, you know, for my s but but showing up to this guy it felt so good to not have to worry about
Conor (33:58.874)
Yeah.
Eden (34:04.565)
all these other people attending right now and blah blah blah and be able to just drop in and stay focused. So
Conor (34:09.612)
Yeah, yeah. And and really well done for doing that, right? 'Cause 'cause it's sort of it's so interesting, even like the language of failure, do you know what I mean? And yet for me, what happened there is like you chose yourself and you chose your own experience over everybody else's experience. Which which is such a such a wonderful gesture of self love, right?
Eden (34:39.861)
Yes. So c sorry, go ahead.
Conor (34:40.94)
And and and and can I s yeah, 'cause I just wanna I wanna say to that, like I think this is the thing, and I think like if if we're talking about the spirit of the age, right? Which I think we are now, there's something about maturity.
That I feel is kind of like where we're going to now. And it's sort of this sense of like self-responsibility, no longer needing to please everybody else, being able to put your hand up and say, I can't do this, I'm out of social battery, I'm out of capacity. These are all things that I can I think like for example, when I speak to my mother and her generation, there was just you s you say something and you do it. It doesn't matter. You know, you drag your broken legs to
That event. Like you you you said and you have to do it. And and this this whenever I like that that concept would always come to me of this, like how you have to always do whatever you say, regardless of what the feeling is in your body. I was like, that's we're kind of like this self-abandonment is just wired into how we operate together. And I feel like the maturity that we're moving into now is just the ability to know.
Eden (35:44.085)
Hmm.
Conor (35:57.319)
And trust that my community survives, the friendship stays solid, the relationship can handle moments of disappointment. Because that's really what it is. You know, we're kind of you're imagining, I haven't sent this out to my community, they'll be upset. And you're treating and you're treating everyone as an as an adult who can handle a bit of upset. Rather than a child who might throw a tantrum.
Eden (36:20.885)
Mm-hmm.
Conor (36:24.278)
And and I f I feel like this is sort of this is sort of the the the kind of the missing piece that we're we're slowly integrating at this time is that we're just we're moving into this place of really becoming grown ups.
Eden (36:33.589)
Mm.
Eden (36:39.39)
Mm. Mm.
Conor (36:41.858)
That feels very refreshing.
Eden (36:45.269)
Yes. And I feel like it accelerates the mo like when we do this, it gives other people that subtle nervous system permission to also that they can also do this. And then it just accelerates change.
Conor (36:59.482)
Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I think all the introverts and the flakes need to communicate this more. To normal to normal it you know, to just normalize.
Eden (37:04.873)
Yeah.
Eden (37:10.157)
Totally, totally. Did I mean literally that yeah, the construct of time. Okay, wait, there's so much I wanna cover and so let me return here. this f flows right into it. So
Conor (37:12.024)
Yeah.
Conor (37:19.183)
Yeah.
Eden (37:24.353)
We talked a little bit about relationship with money, relationship with time. and I'm also very, very interested in relationship with work and labor and vocation and these being potentially different things. So as I frame this, bear with me again while I share a couple stories. So here's what comes to mind. the first is just the culture that I was raised in, which was one of put your head down and work, don't ask any questions, like the
men in the community, you know, all the fathers, the assignment was to just be a laborer, don't ask any questions, be grateful for what you get, and maybe one day, maybe one day at the very end you'll have a nice little retirement or something, you know, so you can finally take a break, right? grew up with a bunch of, you know, working class, many Irish American, Polish American, German, you know, in
couple generations removed from the motherlands folks in upstate central New York. And you know, this this that mentality did not work for me because I was like, I'm not trying to put my head down and work, right? I I want to live a creative and different life, which felt wildly obnoxious in that in that culture, right? And so I've always been so curious because I have so much love and and it literally I think it it's one of the greatest pains in my life is witnessing, you know, my father's generation
filled in in prior, filled with people who dutifully put their head down and work for these overlords that don't give a shit about them. That will not actually give you your pension at the end. That, you know, whatever. Anyway, so hard work is a big part of how I sh tha that's that's that's a I have a strong work ethic. Okay. I got that old school like boomer work ethic.
And so I get curious about what is that? What are the good parts of this? What are the bad parts of this? What are the parts that are hurting? What are the parts that are good? And when I look at the larger culture of these kind of like post-immigrant whatever folks, so where I grew up was right on the Erie Canal. And the Erie Canal was this big, massive project from around 1817-ish to 1825-ish.
Eden (39:38.611)
that connected the waterways of the Hudson River and Lake Erie, right? Expand New York State. It was a massive project at the time. And it was, you know, the lore where I grew up was that it was kind of lined with the bodies of like Irish laborers, Irish American laborers, because it was just like grueling you know, hand-dug efforts, if you will, right? That was they were stricken with all types of illness and just it was just known that there's like
Yeah, that was kind of the lore, right? So there's that just like massive, like relentless work ethic there, right? And then a totally different story. I live now on the Hudson River and I was on a boat with some friends. we had rented like a chartered little boat that with some friends on the Hudson River a couple years ago. And there was this the lead deckhands woman was so kind and super like overgiving, you know, she was like
Pouring all of our drinks for us and just like tending to everybody. I I saw myself and her as somebody who was, you know, in service industry work for so long. and anyway, we we did a little swim out there and they d to encourage the swim as a part of the package, they rolled out this little floating mat, right? And so we had a little like restful moment and did a little swim and came back in the boat and we're sipping
our drinks and it's taking a little while to like get the boat going again and nobody really noticed why or what was going on and I I became curious and I went up to the captain and I was like, What's going on? He's like, we just gotta roll up that mat He's like, Look at her out there. my God. And the the deck hand woman was literally in the mat, like rolling it up like on top of the water, like with her body, like this massive feet. And he's like, Yep, that's the Irish in her And I was I have never
heard that framing before where I live here, it's like a lot of Irish and Italian immigrant folks here. But that that I just felt that recognition of that just relentless, like like you said, like you'll drag yourself with broken bones to the dinner or whatever. Like just this like push, you know? And so anyway, I felt I feel seen in all of that and this met like like compulsive drive towards like exhausting oneself through labor, through work, right?
Eden (42:00.701)
And yeah, and I'm and I'm curious about repatterning away from it, and I'm almost done here. But the idea is that in my research, I also kind of looked up the English word for labor, and some of the original interpretations was like toil, right? So the English word for labor was was basically toil and exertion, right? And then I got curious about other cultures' interpretations or relationships with labor and work and
Conor (42:06.404)
Yeah.
Eden (42:29.069)
purpose and vocation. And of course, in Irish, there were all these other beautiful words that explored these exact same, you know, we show up and we tend to some degree of work every day. But there were different ways of of seeing it. So one and you can I am gonna butcher the pronunciation and the interpretation, so please tell me the truth from the internet. But you know, part of what I found was this word Ubir, which carries a more neutral
Conor (42:57.932)
Over. Yeah.
Eden (42:59.091)
Okay, alright Maybe I could just be qu yeah, how do you say it? Okay, perfect. Carries a more neutral sense of activity and accomplishment rather than like a burden.
Conor (43:05.047)
Upper.
Okay.
Conor (43:13.646)
Yeah, and and Uber would be kind of like works as well. So you know you could you you would say like a collection of of writing would be Uber as well. You know, so it it's sort of like it's it's works in the idea of of of a combination of efforts too.
Eden (43:35.586)
Yeah, there's there's other ones like, you know, just words that point to skilled mastery, and craft you know, craftsmanship, artistry and creative expression. yeah, and and so yeah, these c words, these other cultures and so many other cultures have such beautiful relationships with with
you know, the concept of work and what that actually should look like, you know, or could look like. and I'm just curious about all of that, whatever you have, whatever comes up for you.
Conor (44:05.326)
No, but yeah.
Conor (44:13.806)
Well well what's coming up to me for me just at one level there is a is again like kind of the that that image of the the woman out rolling up the mat is just the the kind of the the sense of the actual toll on Irish women and and the load that Irish women have had to carry
And like not not naming squint to all the kind of the autoimmune stuff and and various kind of
mystery kind of diseases and things that are that that that we notice like coming up in Irish women over and over again. And so much of it is connected to just the just the the pure stress of managing like all the expectations of managing a family or the expectations of actually bringing in money and and what is often like a reflection of just what has been like a a a crisis in masculinity in Ireland for many
Years too, because this is sort of what happens when when a country is colonized, it in in many ways what it does is it it it kind of like it irreparably changes the male population because the males have been defeated, so to speak, like the male army has been defeated and disenfranchised, and so it in many situations, and I know like I'm sort of speaking anecdotally here, but this is in many ways like a lot of the alcoholism in Ireland, is sort of connected to.
Eden (45:29.589)
Mm.
Eden (45:34.155)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Conor (45:46.527)
this male depression. You know, you you see it in other indigenous cultures too. Where the males are just like we're defeated, we're broken, we have so much pain. And and then the the the women population who who have have too much responsibility to actually go into that place. They must become they must function somehow.
Eden (45:48.845)
Mm.
Yeah.
Eden (45:55.661)
Mm.
Eden (46:08.469)
Mm.
Conor (46:09.026)
And and so you have this sort of stereotype in Ireland of the you know, the the Irish mother who, you know, is in in her seventies, in her eighties, has just cooked the dinner and is suddenly up a ladder hammering in a nail into a wall. You know, this this kind of with you know, with with like a broken ankle and and they just they never stop. and
It's i yeah, there there is this sort of again, you know, it it a lot of this connects to it circles back to our our favorite topic, shame, and that that that kind of difficulty you have in valuing ourselves. Like for for Irish people so much.
We we kind of prided ourselves, we we took great pride in being like workers, like great workers. But what this often meant was that we were people who wouldn't call in sick when we felt sick. We were people who would stay behind. You know, we w we we we took great pride in being servants and took great pride in abandoning our needs for the sake of the work. I even remember my grandmother used to always say this thing, she'd say,
Eden (47:02.061)
Mm.
Eden (47:15.829)
Mm.
Conor (47:24.648)
ban on jacker which means bless the work when it whenever she would see me like if i was cutting grass or something or or doing something she'd come she'd go ban on jacker like bless the work and just this sense of like aren't you so blessed to have work to have to have a task and yeah and i and I kind of commend you for being the
Eden (47:35.981)
Mm.
Eden (47:42.946)
Hmm.
Mm.
Conor (47:52.815)
the one the member of of your family who decided to move into an area of expression rather than just blind work. I c I imagine that took huge bravery.
Eden (48:01.069)
Hm.
Eden (48:06.313)
It it it absolutely does and I think it it of course we're strengthened by the field of of witnessing other folks in their little mossy corners of the world doing their own thing. So I I am I'm very curious about kinda like this thing comes up for me, it's like who gave you permission? you know? D d like how did you break that script? You know, how did you get out of that compulsion?
Conor (48:18.754)
Mm.
Conor (48:32.196)
Which do you know, I in in a way, Eden, like I feel really lucky in that my family didn't really w none of us were very ambitious. You know, like my like we were very and and there was so there was no expectations placed on me.
You know, like like when I went to school there was no question of well you're gonna go on a university and do this and I think if anything, people were really surprised then when I like got a university place. I was the first person in my family to get a university place. So th there just wasn't i in many ways and it's interesting because I then went to school with like lots of kids from a lot of privilege and a lot of wealth and I began to understand I was like, they have less freedom than me.
Because I could just go and be a bartender and
or I could I could work on building sites, I could go do this, I could go on adventures, and nobody in my family was ever sort of saying, Well now Connor, you know, you need to you need to get your act together because because none of them had ever really like amounted you know, none of them had ever really done that either. So i it was a very low bar which which gave me a great amount of freedom. which
And and I I think the limits that that that I then kind of encountered were just feeling safe enough to do what I do.
Conor (50:03.98)
So so you know like when I first when I first started writing, I I wrote journalism and I I would have like gone to like say war zones and and done reporting there and it felt like this is very masculine, this is good, I'm allowed to do this. But but slowly, you know, I became more and more inclined to spirituality. And then that was maybe one of the most difficult parts of my career was feeling like, do I have can I feel
safe enough to brand myself as someone who talks about love. And do you know and I remember even my first sort of attempts at it, I would say, well, you know, it's that big pump in your heart, you know, it's not whatever. Like, you know, I'd even apologize when I would use the word love as a way of kind of buff as a as a way of kind of just, I don't know, protecting myself from
imagined attacks that might come my way. but but it but I think like and I think with a lot of people in these situations like the we we really do imagine the barriers that are there are so often just imagined. And and they're they're kind of like I I'll notice this this th there's an interesting thing. I'll notice this with my partner.
Eden (51:04.949)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Conor (51:31.726)
When I want to take space and I wanna do something on my own, if I approach her with this idea of
would it w would you w would like if I'm timid, if I'm a little bit if I've got like a little bit of guilt and I'm like, would you mind? Is it okay? I will receive a a pretty negative response. But when I go to her and I say, Yo babe, I'm gonna take I'm gonna go off in the mountains this weekend and I'll see you on Monday, and she'll just respond, cool. So so it's it's I notice that it's all about like the energy that I hold in my body.
Eden (51:47.924)
Ha ha
Eden (52:01.805)
Mm-hmm.
Conor (52:11.096)
really dictates the response that reality comes back to me with. And and this is also I think like how we move through like when I work with clients and they want to say they're afraid of making dramatic changes in their life. And the the the encouragement that I always give them is like the more you own what you want to do, the less pushback you're gonna get. Right? It's sort of
Eden (52:14.112)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Eden (52:36.567)
Mm, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Conor (52:41.624)
Yeah, that's so it's it's very much like you get to you get to decide what reaction comes at you based on how you just present your desire in your body. It's it's like that sans eden, you know that you can say the word no
Eden (52:57.237)
Mm.
Conor (53:02.328)
In a whole range of different ways, to the point where some of those no's are aren't really gonna sound like a no at all. And other other no's are just like no no one's gonna say a word to you, right? and and and I feel I feel that's really how we move about permissions.
Eden (53:05.11)
Mm-hmm.
Eden (53:09.022)
Yeah.
Eden (53:14.273)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Eden (53:22.181)
Mmm, so real. So I I as a business coach who you know I I have a membership, right? And so it's been four years in the making and I've changed a lot throughout that time and and s and so it's so funny because I I think it's very natural and I like every season I pretty much like I'm I change. My schedule changes, my my focus changes.
And so I'm always tempted to kind of like, you know, okay, I get clear in my journal, okay, like for me right now it's we're entering into the summer. So I'm like, I want to be in summer mode. I want even more spaciousness, even more leisure. And so I'm like, okay, so this is what this means for my business. And so it starts with this sort of permission asking of like, okay, here's what I need to communicate to everybody, that here's when I'm available and here's what's shade-da.
And then inevitably when I get to the end of that and actually sit with it, I realize this actually doesn't even need most 99% of this doesn't even need to be actually explicitly communicated. this just needs to be owned by me. And like when I own it and am one with it energetically, I barely need to communicate anything at all, right? and I think so many people that I that I work with, when it comes time to whether you're raising your rates or
shifting your boundaries of availability or what you how you relate with clients or whatever. We always think we need to kind of type out this long, you know, email that asks them for permission essentially, but really there's this invitation at every turn with every assignment for you to for us to kind of drop deeper into what actually feels good in my body and how can I
Allow that to fill me with the kind of strength and power to move to move through the world accordingly and allow the world to collaborate with my embodied sense of truth here.
Conor (55:22.232)
Yeah, totally. Completely. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, and I think that, you know, th it's that that lovely expression, you know, the world is as you are. And I think that's something that you can really experiment with too. Yeah, and and again the the interesting thing even, right, is that you don't do these experimentations when you're moving quickly through life. But when you slow down
Eden (55:34.413)
Mm.
Eden (55:48.397)
Mm.
Conor (55:52.591)
You you you
You have the chance to sort of go, okay, like I I can really connect with my energy. What's my energy? How's my energy showing up right now? Because this is going to directly impact on the reality that I encounter. And when we're moving quickly, we're we're just we're just we're just reacting, you know, everything's out of habit. It's a mess. Right? And when we slow down, it is I think we can really alchemize everything around us.
Eden (56:22.773)
Yes, yes. So to kind of so to bring it all together in many ways, and and this is so you spoke to you know, what would it feel like if we had this innate sense of belonging instilled in our bodies, right? What would become possible in our lives if we if we had that, right?
Conor (56:31.642)
Good luck.
Eden (56:49.643)
To me another way to frame that is like this like a sense of trust, right? So when when I sit with people who are trying to live a more aligned feeling life, right? And and work and and you know, whether that's through their whatever whatever, self-expression, all of it.
There's there's a set it's it's radically scary to the nervous system, right? And so so they're looking for some degree of trust that like this path ahead, though it's no totally hasn't been paved yet, I can trust that I can walk on it, right? one of the biggest fears that comes up is f financial security, right? Like how can I allow myself to move at a slower pace while trusting the money is just gonna still flow in somehow, right? And that's what
Conor (57:15.457)
Mm.
Conor (57:38.274)
Yeah.
Eden (57:38.848)
a lot of folks struggle with, myself included. But I noticed and part of what really motivated me to have this interview with you and share it with more people was because in so I had a coaching session with with Connor a cup a few weeks ago and one thing that came up was sort of restoring relationship with a with
a sense of embodied trust that likely our more earth-based ancestors ha just had instilled in them through their daily relationships with this sort of forgiving natural world that, you know, still gives us spring after every winter, that still gives us enough food to survive through the winter, that gives us a day after every night, and how yeah, you you shared just some just a powerful framing there around kind of reconnecting to those
ancestors and their embodied sense of trust with resource, right? Because right now it shows up as our relationship with money, but deep down underneath that and for millennia before that, it was relationship with resources, right? So yeah, I f I wanted to just kind of turn that back towards you around like how can we, yeah, for free for people who maybe struggle in their presence in that more narrower and panicky timeline.
And and and they don't know what how to access that sense of trust in themselves right now, maybe. Yeah, curious.
Conor (59:05.902)
Yeah. Well like I've got nothing but compassion for that person because I I know that that's how I've lived most of my life was in a constant fear of my own security. And and I feel what what has helped me so much is by really developing a sense of
And and when I use this term, I don't mean it in the religious term, but a sense of God, in that a sense of like I am connected to something else, and that that thing protects me. You know, like s we we really have we can play the game of life in two modes, one where I'm being hunted and one where I'm just playing.
Right? And it really depends on how you see the world. Now and and I work very hard at convincing myself that my world takes care of me. My world takes care of me. And I test my world regularly. I go, take care of me. Take care of me now.
Do something, take care of me. If a problem arises in my life, I'll say to the world, can you handle this for me? Can you can you deal with this for me? And and I s I s this happens over and over again to the point now where I just trust. I've seen it enough. It's like a relationship, you know, where your partner shows up on time, they repair after conflict, and you go, Okay, I trust this person now. I think I trust them. And you gotta enter into that same sort of relationship.
With the world around you. And the way that you the way that you really do this, you know, and you've got to think of it as a child. Like when you're a child, your days are full of risk. You know, okay, today I stand up, it's a risk. Today I walk 20 yards away from my parents, it's a risk. Today I put this new food in my mouth, it's a risk.
Conor (01:01:09.09)
And every time you do that, your sense of trust in the world grows. So I think like it's really important as adults that the way that we strengthen our relationship with the divine protection that is available for us. And you can you can like pour that in into any belief system if it helps. I I really like I'm not anti-religious at all. I think like whatever helps you, it's all good. It's all about bringing more love to you anyway.
Eden (01:01:13.709)
Mm.
Conor (01:01:37.731)
And then just to develop this sense of like the world loves me, and knowing that the world loves me, what would I do? What would I do? What would be the risk that I would take?
Eden (01:01:49.322)
Mm.
Conor (01:01:49.691)
You know, and and that risk might be expressing yourself, it might be painting, it might be calling in sick, it might be speaking your truth, that might be setting a boundary. And and and and really just to sort of and I think you can start, you know, you can really start at a very small level, like when you're in that place of panic, you know, is there you when you're in that place of panic
Is there a way that you can still find some sort of playfulness? I always feel like I'm I feel very grateful for my family in many ways, because I I remember we would always have these situations where, you know, the like the roof would fall in on the house, there would be a flood, the car would break down in the middle of the countryside, and and my dad, who is just full of trickster energy, would laugh.
Eden (01:02:47.061)
Yeah.
Conor (01:02:47.958)
And I always felt like, you know, at at at one level when I was a kid, I was like, Why are you laughing? This is very serious. But in many ways what he was doing by laughing was he was kind of he was he was playing with reality, saying, This isn't so serious. So what? We have to go sleep at the neighbours for the night. It's fine.
And and I I really kinda like I I I I I'm so grateful that he gave me that sense of being able to just hey, this this is a disaster but it's not the end of the world. which which was a certain amount of strength in him.
Eden (01:03:31.086)
What a gift. That's so beautiful. I'm so happy you shared that. It's really been coming up in a lot of different ways lately. So that's that's really good medicine. Thank you for for navigating these times. yeah, like what happens when the systemic floors give out. It's actually still okay. I feel like I learned that actually from my friends who grew up in the hood in in New York who were literally kind of
A good friend who, you know, her credit was ruined before she was even 18 years old because somebody else in her family had utilized her name, right? So and and the levels of financial, you know, distress I I learned from some people who were just kind of literally born into intergenerational debt that they had no control over. This sense of playfulness with it, this sense of like
Conor (01:04:18.702)
Yeah.
Eden (01:04:24.193)
What what else are you gonna take from me? You know, and and not in a defeatist way, but in a in a liberating way. And that's that's truly I think one of the bits of medicine I took up on my journey that made me far less afraid for all of the
Conor (01:04:27.97)
yeah.
Conor (01:04:34.415)
Yeah.
Conor (01:04:38.618)
'Cause 'cause Eden, that's what rich people do. You know? Rich rich people are phenomenal at becoming bankrupt and then just like, it'll come by you know, I mean the real institutionally rich people have had the the pleasure of spending time with someone. It's it's all just a game.
Eden (01:04:41.271)
Poof. Yeah.
Eden (01:05:00.799)
Love that. Okay. So w we're we're closing up here out here, closing this conversation. I would love for it to continue one day. and I can't I probably have something more profound to end with, even though that was quite profound. But the one the title of this ultimately was Content as Weather. Because when I asked you in our session a few weeks ago, how what's your content creation process? Because you came up on my feed
perfectly like resonant, like, you know, perfect placement, how much of that for you had been strategy and how much of it is sort of just self-expression and this is kind of luck and chance that it, you know, you got picked up by the algorithm gods. And I I think, you know, a lot of people's our relationship with social media and especially if you have a business is is such a such interesting and
terrible territory to to dance in and so I loved your take. So I wanted to just kind of pass that question back to you 'cause I think it'll be really helpful for a lot of people.
Conor (01:06:02.115)
Yeah, w w I I I c I can't remember exactly what I said, but it was something was it something along the lines of just
Yeah, the I I feel like my relationship with social media is always very just quite off the cuff and spontaneous. And I know if if if if I'm using social media I feel like there's there's two ways that it works for me. There's one, an idea just comes to me and I channel it quite quickly into a rough reel. Or there's a moment where I have a desire for that social media hit.
And that's typically like so messy. So it like I'm just learning to kinda go, okay, this is genuinely just dropped out of the sky, something good to say. Or then there's the moment where I'm like, I want that social media hit. I'm gonna come up with something. And in those moments when I'm crafting something, it's always a mess. It's not fun at all. And I hate social media. In that moment.
Eden (01:07:10.541)
How kind of crazy and magical is it that, like, to as far as I've seen in business and marketing, what actually ends up working when I look at my most successful solopreneurs, and and when I look at what actually creates success that I'm able to enjoy in my life, it is never the factory, and I'm a marketer, right? So like I know all about the content factories and what we should be doing. But nine times out of ten,
Conor (01:07:31.758)
Yeah.
Eden (01:07:38.4)
When people get picked up or when your work finally gets picked up or whatever, there's some mystical element there that cannot be engineered or manufactured even if you show up every day and create the consistent content. so I really love your way forward and what you're what you're channeling here because it does so many things at once. Number one, it really allows you to share these this wisdom that you're channeling, like in extremely healing ways. like
This is some real healing stuff that is proliferating out to the world and it happens to involve a really toxic medium that's helping proliferate that message, but is this not the nature of the world? Nothing's pure and we're kind of working with what we got.
Conor (01:08:20.462)
Yeah. You you know, I I used to work for a little while with in corporations. So I'd go into a corporation and I would help them have like when there was when there was toxicity in a corporation and we would gather people together and constructively have arguments. And I would work with this other woman and and she would always say to me, she would always say, We have to be careful that we don't catch their book.
that we don't get infected by what they have. So it was a way of like going into the corporation, spending a day there, trying to like and then getting out and cleaning ourselves off. I think the same is with there with social media. You y you just get in but you you like you like you get in, you do what you need to do and then you get out again. 'Cause it's it's like sticky and it's and it's and it's it it will make you sick.
Eden (01:09:09.75)
Yeah.
Eden (01:09:16.237)
Beautiful. well, thank you so so much for your time, your wisdom, your short story sharing, your magic. Connor, if there's anything that feels like it was unsaid that you want to slip in there before we close, I want to share offer the space for you to do that while also offering the space for you to let folks know how they can continue to be in your
Conor (01:09:17.295)
Yeah.
Eden (01:09:43.743)
resonance how they can continue to learn from you, with you and work with you.
Conor (01:09:48.44)
Yeah. No, I d I I just really wanna say thank you to you. Like you're you you were such a storyteller and I love how you
how you put things into a few very eloquent kind of images. I think I think how you do that is second to none. It's amazing. I'm staying tuned for the book, Eden. And and then just to say I I'm active on social media, on Instagram, Connor Crichton. I have a I have a course that I do, an online course that's coming up next month. It's called The Summer of Love. It's a course that I do every summer. And it's basically it's a it's a 30 day little container.
where we we really explore the energetics of love and it's all kind of online and recorded. And then that's it. I do sessions as well and I have some books. And it's all on my website to conorcriton.com.
Eden (01:10:42.733)
Thank you so so much for tending to your little mossy corner of the world. super inspiring and again collectively strengthened by the field. So all right.
